Second Samuel 21:15–17 … David did what we are to do. The KJV is not clear on the account, but … From that moment, the Israelites knew that God’s favor was on David and with time David became the next King of Israel. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! 9 years ago. Relevance. David killed Goliath with a slingshot.A second version of the story says that Elhanan, son of Jair, from Bethlehem, killed Goliath. — Looking at All Things Biblically – Jason Bible Church Member. I finished graduate school at ACU in 1985. David’s decision to use a sling and wear no armor was a genius tactical decision. For instance, Doeg the Edomite was Saul’s chief herdsman but also an executioner (1 Samuel 22:18-19). Of course, that's the last thing David plans to do. Challenging the Story of the Valley of Elah — Part I. Hi Lindsay, In sites that are known to be ancient Israelite, archaeologists find various kinds of animal bones, but consistently they report that no pig bones are among the remains. However, v. 51 seems to provide greater detail by noting that (although David had no sword) he drew Goliath’s sword out of its sheath and killed him with it. I haven’t torn any knee ligaments myself, but I’ve heard that a rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament produces excruciating pain, rendering the victim completely incapacitated as he writhes in agony. But how can a “greave” be a “forehead”? Most of them, not only cover the forehead, but the nose as well. I appreciate the info on the LXX, I hadn’t checked that out. Merab, Saul's daughter. The story of David and Goliath begins in a somewhat unusual way. Hebrew narrative frequently summarizes an event and then proceeds to add further details. If there was a struggle it seems like the narrative would indicate so. David, as a young teenager and a shepherd who had been tending sheep probably since he was a very young child, knew a lot about tending sheep and how dangerous it was to protect them from predators. This article merely seeks to suggest another possibility based on the Hebrew. David had to fight Goliath (and thankfully God used the fight to bring David to prominence) because the people of Israel accepted the PREMISE that Goliath had thrown out instead of determining for themselves what should be done. A soldier from the 16th century, when armor was at its peak and heaviest, could fall off a horse fully armored and spring to his feet in the next step ready to fight. We can do this over and over with questionable passages, hoping to arrive at a reasonable answer. In fact David cutting off Goliath’s head appears almost an afterthought. Greaves must leave a space for the knee to bend in order for the wearer to walk. They actually believe this hogwash. Not convinced; much less not convinced enough to say that the forehead interpretation is wrong (as your third point regarding common depictions does). The imposing statue that oppresses God’s people, like Goliath, is brought down with a small Davidic stone. One final observation. If David struck Goliath on the leg, even assuming a broken bone, the Phillistine is by no means out of the fight. The weight doesn’t have much to do with it as the distribution of that weight does. Far from a pebble fired from a child’s toy, a sling stone was an especially lethal weapon. And when the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.” I do find it very believable that Goliath would have been totally incapacitated by a 60 to 100 mph stone embedded in his knee, plus well over 100 lb of body armor. And how did he do it with such a simple weapon? Fourth, from a typological perspective, while the stone from Daniel is likely in view (the smooth stone David picked up) it makes much more sense that David (a type of Christ) would crush the head of Goliath (a satan/antichrist type), referencing Gen 3:15. So, if I haven’t lost you yet, please read the following arguments and then judge for yourself how you think David killed Goliath. KJV To describe David as an amateur or fairy tale hero in this story is not only poor scholarship; it borders on the obtuse.[4]. David carefully aimed his stone at the knee of Goliath. https://www.biblestudywithrandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/10-The-Savior_The-Lord-Almighty-Reigns.m4a. Yes Tammy, that’s what I’m saying. SpaceAce. Once on the ground, it would be very difficult to get back up with 126 pounds of armor weighing you down. This comes from Ronald Youngblood’s commentary on 1&2 Samuel in the Expositor’s Bible Commentary (revised edition, p. 185). Scripture gives us stronger clues regarding David’s age when he fought Goliath. Goliath was a tall, well equipped and experienced warrior. We all know the story of David and Goliath very well. Top Posters. Even Goliath himself thought David was going to fight him in hand to hand combat because it says that Goliath said to David “Do you think that I am a dog that you come at me with a stick?” In the Qur'an: David killed Goliath (2:251), a giant soldier in … David was 20 years old when he killed Goliath: this is because 20 years of age was (is) GOD's precedent age for a young Israelite man to be recruited or participate in the military of the children of Israel, as Scripture states in Numbers;chapter 1. David was only a young boy that time, and Goliath was a veteran warrior with an intimidating appearance. Saul’s argument to David. 5-7). I’d also love to chat about why the LXX would have a different height for Goliath! Greaves must leave a space for the knee to bend in order for the wearer to walk. Again, the most widely accepted explanation is that Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath and that 1 Chronicles 20:5 supports this reasoning by providing additional information. David then took Goliath's sword, killed him and cut off his head. God bless! Where are you seeing that Goliath was killed by having his head cut off?,.. If you find Wong’s article it’s worth a read, in terms of demonstrating how the later context shows the weakness of each piece mentioned in vv. It looks like he kills them all except King Agag, who is later killed by Samuel (1 Sam. Main Point: Remaining with God every day is the key to trusting Him in difficult times. | OpentheWord.org. Notice that 2:17 provides the summary and this is followed up by a longer account of a certain portion of the battle. ); or simply thinking that I’m crazy because you KNOW that the Bible says he was struck in the FOREHEAD. “Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. This interpretation, then, suggests that David’s stone did not hit Goliath in the forehead, but in the greave, or knee area! While a stone to this area might still knock a warrior unconscious, I don’t see anyway that the stone could become embedded in the forehead as v. 49 states. A’ The Philistines saw that their hero was dead and ran. Goliath had brothers plus there were other descendants of gigantic men from Gath (1st Chron 20:5-8), from the same place that Goliath had come from (1 Sam 17:4). The author describes David as a soldier before his encounter with Goliath. It could still stun him and make him fall over — forward. 1Sa 17:50 And so, without a sword, David defeated and killed Goliath with a sling and a stone! I think what you’re saying is how it reads in Genesis about Adam & Eve. David told Goliath that he (Goliath) came with spear and sword, but his weapon was … I would agree with you that looking at the original Hebrew or Greek can be extremely helpful and if we don’t know the languages ourselves, it is wise to check out commentaries by experts who do know the languages. 2 Saul and the Israelites assembled and camped in Elah Valley, where they got ready to fight the Philistines. Although Goliath’s height is impressive, as is the weight of his armor and spear tip, most people read over these verses and don’t think much more about them. 3. People tell me, "The NIV is more accurate". Whether Goliath was hit in the knee (as I argue) or the forehead, he wasn’t dead until David used his own sword against him. I would have to disagree however that a shot to the leg would not incapacitate a warrior. In his account of his battle with Hittite forces at Kadesh in 1274 BC, pharaoh Ramesses II states that a contingent of warriors called ne`arin (Hebrew plural, na`arim) saved the Egyptian army from certain defeat. Second, the brief glimpse of David in the king’s armor prefigures his royal destiny. I appreciate your opinion and your diligence in checking out other occurences of the Hebrew word. If there is a modern-day Goliath to be defeated, it is that of false teaching and apostate teachers who would attempt to cast doubt on the inerrancy of the Word of God and therefore on God Himself. That may be true – I do know some words get mistranslated and then accepted as time goes forward; there is one thing I do know, thought- while David picked up the 5 stones, and slung one at Goliath, the power of God was behind that stone and it went exactly where God wanted it to go. Great article, Professor Randy. Look at the parallels with the Dagon statue falling before the Ark and loosing its head. Note: Unfortunately, I was unable to find a copy of Deem’s or Wong’s articles available on the internet. God bless. I recently read that in the admonition against Jews eating pigs (pork), the Hebrew really said that they should not eat LIKE pigs , with a reference to their prayer life. Modern soldiers in the U.S. military carry more weight on their backs in a ruck sack than a complete set of armor weighed from the 16th century. It seems like this is the only survivor of Saul’s house, but later on we read that he had other sons and grandsons who were delivered over to the Gibeonites for judgment (2 Sam. In this (fictional) story, Judah the son of Jacob kills a heavily armored Canaanite king by striking him in the greave (chopping off his feet is another translation). These weapons included a bronze javelin (some would say that “scimitar” is a better translation), and a large spear with a shaft the size of a “weaver’s beam,” that included an iron tipped head weighing 15.1 pounds (6.85 kg.)! In this account, the shepherd David persuades Saul to let him fight Goliath on behalf of the Israelites. Thanks so much for your comments and research Suzanne. But if I win and kill him, you will become our slaves and serve us.\" Goliath continued, \"This very day I dare the soldiers of Israel to send a man down to fight against me.\" - 1 Sam… I looked up the Hebrew word “metsakh” and its uses in the Bible and found the following ten references: 1. So how exactly did David kill Goliath? — Looking at All Things Biblically – Jason Bible Church Member. In spite of the fact that Goliath only appears in one chapter in 1&2 Samuel, 4 verses are dedicated to describing his appearance. In fact, many paintings (or drawings) focus in on the moment of how David killed Goliath. I still think there’s something to be said for the Hebrew word in 17:6 either being the same word, or closely resembling the word of v. 49. Here we have to dig into the text itself. As far as the “like pigs” interpretation, I am unfamiliar with this. 12 Answers. * Say 1 Ch 20:5 radically departs from 2 Sam 21:19, meaning David did not kill Goliath. Neither describes a little boy. While we have to allow art to be art and recognize that not every artist is going for a literal representation of the actual story, I am often struck by how many artistic renderings get the basic facts wrong. I’ll talk more about this in a moment. Furthermore, 2 Samuel 21:19 says Goliath was slain in the valley of Gob, and we know for certain David fought Goliath in the Valley of Elah. Jews and Greeks in the First Century A.D. Bible, Archaeology, Travel with Luke Chandler, Clothing in Samuel: You Are What You Wear. Only the NIV reads “after he had killed him, he cut off his head,” which is probably the translator’s attempt to harmonize v. 51 with v. 50. Date: May 3, 2012 Author: Louis. Learn how your comment data is processed. We must be close in age. David did, 1 Samuel 17:50, “Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand.” Elhanan did, 2 Sam. 2 Kings 3:25; 2 Chronicles 12:2). So the Lord was with David in defeating the enemy. 50-51 is ambiguous (probably unintentionally) concerning whether David killed Goliath with a sling stone or with Goliath’s own sword. Yes, as you mention, there is lots of interesting material here to discuss. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Fokkelman argues that “This Hebrew word means ‘front’ and thus is less specific than ‘forehead'” (p. 32). This is a really cool blog. If you google “greek helmets” as I have, you will be even more impressed with the protection offered to the wearer of one of these! . He fell face down on the ground. Saul and Abner and all the Israelite soldiers only thought of fighting Goliath in hand to hand combat. By reading the story as the biblical author intended, we can see that David is not a little shepherd boy who fells an enemy warrior with a child’s toy. A second detail often missed by readers is found at the end of 1 Samuel 16. If u can read 1 Samuel 5: 1-5, you will see that the statue of dragon fell face down before the ark of the covenant. David’s decision to use a sling and wear no armor was a genius tactical decision. The fifth item are the greaves (leg protectors). 3. He fell face down on the ground. Hi Bill, In this account, the shepherd David persuades Saul to let him fight Goliath on behalf of the Israelites. I am planning an upcoming article on a recent interpretation of the ostracon found at Khirbet Qeiyafa that suggests it references David’s defeat of Goliath. While the LXX was translated many years after the events that took place, it lends more credence for Jewish understanding of the story than the psuedepigraphal Testament of Judah. God bless, And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” Of course a lot of this is speculation without ay of the ballistics info. Revelation 22:18-19. Who did Saul say David could marry? C’ He grasped his sword and drew it from its scabbard The passage is 1 Samuel 17:50-51. Second, recalling our pictures above, why is Goliath frequently shown falling backwards in artistic renditions of this story? Even if David was an accomplished fighter, how did he kill Goliath? This observation has caused scholar J. P. Fokkelman to write, “We have all been brought up on the idea that Goliath was hit in the forehead. Ezekiel 3:7-9 (3 times) — God says He is sending Ezekiel to Israel, who has a “forehead” harder than flint and He made Ezekiel’s “forehead” just as hard Site Supporter. Goliath, the Gittite, is the most well known giant in the Bible. This thought stunned me, and so I had to go back and read the account carefully again. And even more so if he was suffering from acromegaly and it was impacting his agility. In ( 1 Samuel 17:42 ) says David was a young boy and of short height, so it was very difficult for him to kill. Hi John, In a very insightful study entitled: “A Farewell to Arms: Goliath’s Death as Rhetoric Against Faith in Arms (Bulletin for Biblical Research 23.1 (2013) 43-55), Gregory T. K. Wong points out that since 4 of the 5 items mentioned as part of Goliath’s arms are mentioned later in the story, one would expect that the fifth item might also be mentioned. It may well be that Goliath was struck in the forehead. It would serve him right! Whatever the actual facts are we will probably never know for sure, but it’s interesting to talk about the meaning of the text and to have good discussion back and forth. Add to that the fact that Goliath was wearing 120 lbs of armor. http://bible.com/111/1sa.17.51.niv, ISR98 Thanks for your input Bryan. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you and take your head from you. Absalom's Hair, or, Give Me a Head With Hair! Response. Am I missing something here? This, however, is unlikely. I enjoyed this article, and it was an interesting thought that David hit Goliath in the knee instead of the forehead. I will attempt to answer your question by approaching it in several ways. Merab, Saul's daughter. 17:45-47). The David and the Lion Bible Story . Even then Saul did not return to the battlefield; instead, he summoned David to come to him! Googling articles on using a sling suggested anywhere from 60 mph (97 km/h) to 100 mph (160 km.h) for the speed of a stone (click here for one example). 5-7. (click here for Goliath’s Death Part 2). Bible Places How did David kill Goliath? I would suggest the text strongly suggests and common sense would require that Goliath was either unconscious or completely incapacitated when he hit the ground. This allows David the time to come over, pick up Goliath’s sword and cut his head off. ➕➕➕). Even individuals with only a nodding acquaintance of the Bible are aware of how Goliath died: “David killed the giant with a sling and a stone, of course.” Indeed, that is what 1 Samuel 17:48-50 indicates: David hurried and ran toward the army to meet the Philistine. It has to do with placement of the blow and body weight. It’s actually surprising how many pictures show Goliath falling backwards when the story clearly says he fell face down! While the Philistines were at war with Saul, their giant, Goliath, taunted the armies of Israel daily. Hi Jeff thanks for your comment. David must have used the same method. Like x 1; Garrett20 Member. He didn’t. Did David Kill Goliath With a Staff Sling? The LXX actually translates this quite lose and adds through the helmet to Goliath being struck in the frontal. I wasn’t aware that this weapon existed but this was a fun experiment that made me look at the story of David and Goliath in a new light. Can we find a passage in 1 Samuel 17 that also demonstrates the ineffectiveness of the greaves? | Arrow | Stone | Spear | Sword | With what unusual weapon did Shamgar slay 600 Philistines? The stone in Daniel 2 and 7 hitting the feet, along with the messianic implications is very provocative! That I believe is the supernatural strength of the God of the armies of Israel. Some would argue that since the story says Goliath wore a bronze helmet that this would have been different from the typical Philistine headgear. Why did Saul become jealous of David? In response to how heavy the armor weighed, remember that Goliath weighed much more. Unarmoured and equipped only with a sling, 5 smooth rocks, and his staff; David defeats the champion Goliath with a well-aimed shot to the head. If Goliath was indeed hit in the legs and not the head, this may increase the chance of a conceptual link between the two texts since the stone hits the feet of the statue. The protective coat worn by Goliath in his battle with David … It got more personal in Chapter 2. Goliath was a tall, well equipped and experienced warrior. As Goliath moved in for the kill, David reached into his bag and slung one of his stones at Goliath's head. I have an issue with overkill. Saul uses the term na`ar, which is often translated as “youth,” “lad,” or “boy.” In military contexts in the Hebrew Bible, however, the term points to an adult male warrior. However, he did not agree, though he like the paper enough to give a an “A” on the paper. The only problem I have with it is your description of his armor weighing him down. | A tent peg | The jawbone of a donkey | A horseshoe | A cattle prod | Fearing that Saul wanted to kill him, what lie did David ask Jonathan to tell his father if asked why he wasn't at the king's table for the New Moon feast? My own opinion (and I understand what that is worth) was that because soldiers sometimes stood at an angle towards the battlefield (strongest arm to the rear to throw a spear or thrust a sword), his left temple would have been towards David. First, they either portray Goliath carrying his own shield and omit his armor-bearer (picture 1) who is said to be carrying his shield (1 Sam. Image courtesy of Awais Jamil / Unsplash.com, Pingback: How Did Little Boy David Kill Goliath With A Slingshot? The Roman writer Vegetius wrote that sling stones were more dangerous than arrows and could kill a man with blunt force trauma (Epitoma Rei Militaris 1.16). According to Biblical records, the Amalekites, a tribe who lived along the eastern border of Egypt, began making incursions into the southern territory of … ''And behold, David poppeth the holy cap in the evil posterior of the giant Goliath. Goliath would be totally helpless, as the biblical narrative depicts him to be. Different translations seem to say that he was killed,.. THEN had his head cut off. You sound logically very right. Since David was a young teen at the time, everyone thought it was funny that he wanted to face Goliath. I love your argument but I felt the greatness of God was left out in this whole discussion. * Says David took the credit of Joab capturing Rabbah, as if he (David) did the capture (2 Sam 12: 26-31). Elhanan later killed Goliath’s brother. [1] Baruch Halpern, David’s Secret Demons: Messiah, Murderer, Traitor, King (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2010), 10. Thanks for the comment Howard. After going over these verses, trying to see if “knee” would fit, I’m leaning toward “forehead” as the better translation. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. First, as she points out, the story specifically states that Goliath wore a bronze helmet. [3] The term also appears in Ugaritic texts as a word describing professional soldiers. 2. From the text, Goliath and David were both advancing toward the battle line (v 48). As another commenter said, if the helmet didn’t fit exactly right, or because of the angle, it could have hit Goliath in the temple- that’s also a pretty good place to hit someone if you want to knock them down. As far as the spear and javelin (scimitar) go, David also dismisses these items of Goliath’s arsenal as inconsequential (1 Sam. David’s faith was so strong that he volunteered to go himself and fight with the Philistine giant. Later, in the Roman Republic, men would be called away from their farms to serve as soldiers, then return home to their lives as farmers after their military obligations concluded. When David was offended by the Philistine’s words against the living God, he volunteered to fight the giant. So how did little boy David kill Goliath with a slingshot? So, do we (normal Christians) really understand what the Bible means? Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. In the chiasm, this word is found in B and B’ further demonstrating the parallel. However, the list of Goliath’s armor and weaponry plays a very significant part in the story that follows. But it doesn’t. The Assyrians used groups of slingers in war, as did the Israelites (Judges 20:15-16). David did not need a sword to kill the enemy. X David ran to the Philistine and stood over him Funny how you can subconsciously remember details you picked up from drawings/paintings that aren’t actually in the text! The story of David rise to power is very political. ("There was no sword in the had of David.") However, I would encourage you to be less pessimistic regarding understanding the Bible when you state, “So, do we (normal Christians) really understand what the Bible means? TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Theology KEYWORDS: bible; david; davidandgoliath; goliath. I think the translators of the Bible can discern the difference between the forehead and the shin of a person. All Logos 9 base packages currently 15% off! A chiasm is a “mirror image” and repeats what is previously said, usually confirming, contrasting, or adding to in the second half of the chiasm. 1 The Philistines gathered for battle in Socoh, a town in Judah; they camped at a place called Ephes Dammim, between Socoh and Azekah. I came to the same conclusion for a paper I did for Herb Wolf at Wheaton Grad School in 1985. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Of course, that's the last thing David plans to do. Was it with the stone from his sling or with the sword when he cut off his head? David’s rejection of Saul’s armor is significant for a number of reasons. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Jeremiah 3:3 — God says Judah has the “forehead” of a whore and refuses to be ashamed Second, your analysis of Goliath falling back is wrong. As Goliath approached wearing his heavy armor, David recognized a vulnerable place in the big man’s attire. How did David kill Goliath? I would suggest reading my comment if you haven’t. These are the same items found in the description of Goliath’s armor (same Hebrew words). I believe he wasn’t dead until removing the head. Many years ago the daugther of an American Rabbi named Ariella Deem wrote an article entitled: “… And the Stone Sank into His Forehead”: A Note on 1 SAMUEL XVII 49 (Vetus testamentum, 28 no 3 Jl 1978, p 349-351). An AK-47. This term appears over 150 times in the Hebrew Bible and describes military heroes or champions. Why did Saul become jealous of David? #22 Joseph shall add, Jun 29, 2017. A staff sling can launch larger rocks at a higher velocity. Then I came across a related video where some guys do some experiments to see how much more deadly a staff sling can be. He didn’t. Boogaart’s analysis…seems best: Verse 50 is the narrator’s personal comment, stating that David ‘killed’ Goliath (eventually) and anticipating ‘the death of Goliath which is not recorded until verse 51.’ That is, David did not kill Goliath with an Israelite sword (v. 50); irony of ironies, he did it with Goliath’s own sword…Baldwin, 128, summarizes: ‘The stone had stunned the giant, and now the sword must kill him.'”. The Hebrew word for “testicles” is a completely different word. What the chiasm helps to make clear is that B and B’ are parallels with B’ adding additional information about how David finished off Goliath. How many indepth descriptions do we have of Abraham, David, Hannah, Mary, Jesus, or Paul (to name only a few)? Who did Saul say David could marry? Key Verse: If anyone remains joined to Me, and I to him, he will bear a lot of fruit. ‭‭1 Samuel‬ ‭17:51‬ ‭NIV‬‬ He took hold of the Philistine’s sword and drew it from the sheath. When the Philistines saw that their hero was dead, they turned and ran. At two different times. Youngblood states, “The Hebrew of vv. While some scholars do not think that hitting Goliath in the knee would incapacitate him, I must disagree for two reasons. Regarding the text saying Goliath was killed twice, another commenter asked this question and I went into detail to provide an answer. Jacob Neuser, Baruch A. Levine, and Ernest S. Frerichs (Philadelphia, PA: Fortress Press, 1987), 117. You can't do anything without me. http://bible.com/316/1sa.17.51.isr98. David did not kill Goliath in a city, but rather in a field known as the Valley of Elah. How would David remove his sword with him still conscious? 3. If his helmet fit poorly, or if David aimed for his eyes, being so much shorter, the stone would have angled up under the helmet to embed itself in the forehead under the edge. Chapter 1 tells of their creation & then in Chapter 2, it goes into more detail about how they were created. Among the most popular characters of the Bible history are David and Goliath. This story is a great lesson in Context. Yes, the knee may have been a much easier target for David than the head! I hope this is helpful, for at least understanding my reading of the text. Thanks Lindsay. With no armor, David could strike at a distance and easily evade an opponent weighed down by a massive amount of equipment (vv. Joined: Jun 15, 2014 Messages: 9,449 Likes Received: 1,681 Faith: Baptist. If we see, go according to the physics law than “than Goliath would have fallen back, but he falls with the Facedown.” Here Goliath falls with his face down, and force was applied from the front, and he did not … So the Lord was with David in defeating the enemy. David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. This proves Lord only killed Goliath because when David put a stone in his sling and swung the sling, Lord was holding the head of Goliath and that’s why he fell to the ground face down. The tale of the famous giant-slayer and second king of the Israelites, according to the Hebrew Bible, starts with the slaughter of a tribe – women and men, children and all. Sometimes Hebrew uses the word “feet” as a euphemism to refer to the male genitals, but once again, that is not the word here. I had never thought of that connection. 17:41) or they show no shield and armor-bearer at all (picture 2). Further, even though David is already a warrior, there are doubtless more accomplished soldiers in the Israelite army. They were quick on the battlefield and quick to get up when they fell down. 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